Ah, the old Learn-Mod. Thanks Steve.

@Zipp, As mentioned above, on the 3K/4K, the Source Holds are part of the header information of an effect; they're not a keyframe attribute like on the Kalypso. On the 3K/4K, once you've built your effect the way you like it, turn on source hold and do a LEARN - MOD. Remember to have all of your effect level delegates lit, or you'll change your AUTO RECALL information along with your Source Hold status.

I can do this on kalypso with no problem, but not on a 4K. I've had this problem but can't find the solution other than to build from scratch. Any help please? I've built the timeline with no Holds. Test run it a few times. Recalled the effect, kept the sources the same, & with the proper delegates lit I added the holds with a mod, mod. Then recall the effect, no holds. What am I doing wrong?

[quote="Bob Ennis"]You can do the undercut when you 1st build the move, or after it's already built. If you put it in later then make sure that holds are off before you modify the effect. Then add the holds & re-modify the effect.[/quote] thanks Bob...

You can do the undercut when you 1st build the move, or after it's already built. If you put it in later then make sure that holds are off before you modify the effect. Then add the holds & re-modify the effect.

[quote="Bob Ennis"]One tip though - before you turn on the Source Holds, DO NOT change the crosspoints. This will cause the system to force a transition, even if there wasn't one on the original effect. For example: Keyframe 1 cues the Fast Forward & has CAM 1 on both the A & B busses; Keyframe 2 starts the Fast Forward, turns on Key 1; Keyframe 3 undercuts to CAM 2. To add source holds, just go into the E-MEM menu, turn on the holds, and press MOD MOD. If you had 1st changed the crosspoints on the A & B buses before pressing MOD MOD, then when you run the effect you'd see each keyframe transitioning between the A & B buses, even though you never programmed a transition...you'd have to start from scratch to fix this. That "feature" is part of the code that allows users to add a transition to an already learned effect, so it's not a bug.[/quote] Bob, in the example above the undercut you went back and do later? after the timeline is built? I am on a 4K daily so I am used to just building everything with source hold on, and then when everything looks pretty and works, I go and turn it on. Either way I don't like this 'feature', am curious whether the other switchers out there find it necessary to do this in order to allow you to add a transition to an existing effect.. Bill

Thanks Bob....I was under the impression that source hold was in the header info and not a key frame attribute.

Source Holds are keyframe attributes - as such, you don't need to use LEARN at all. Just activate the holds that you want & press MOD MOD to affect all keyframes or just MOD to affect the current keyframe. By adding the LEARN, you were changing the header data of the E-MEM, and is what you'd do if you wanted to add levels to an Auto Recall (Just LEARN MOD - a 2nd MOD does nothing) . This is OK if you want to change the Fast Forward start point for the effect (It uses header data to have the switcher tell it where to cue up to), but it's not necessary to just change source holds. That's why it was blowing out the Fast Forward - because of the use of LEARN. One tip though - before you turn on the Source Holds, DO NOT change the crosspoints. This will cause the system to force a transition, even if there wasn't one on the original effect. For example: Keyframe 1 cues the Fast Forward & has CAM 1 on both the A & B busses; Keyframe 2 starts the Fast Forward, turns on Key 1; Keyframe 3 undercuts to CAM 2. To add source holds, just go into the E-MEM menu, turn on the holds, and press MOD MOD. If you had 1st changed the crosspoints on the A & B buses before pressing MOD MOD, then when you run the effect you'd see each keyframe transitioning between the A & B buses, even though you never programmed a transition...you'd have to start from scratch to fix this. That "feature" is part of the code that allows users to add a transition to an already learned effect, so it's not a bug.