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Help w/ DigiCart setup for Kalypso

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rlwokc
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We have our 360 Systems DigiCart conneted to the J-10 port but we don't have all the setup info for the DigiCart. Baud rates and trigger info. Would love some help from anyone who has setup one of these with their Kalypso. Thanks

Randy Williams OKC

greg
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steve, You are right it is a digicart/E I didn't even realize that until your post. sorry for any confusion.
Steve Meyer
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Greg, Are you using a DigiCart/E? I'd expect this kind of connectivity in that device, but I've never seen it in a DigiCart II Plus
Bob Ennis
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DNF has a computer program that lets you save & load cues to/from a PC. While I haven't used this outboard program myself, I would assume that it would allow you to erase all cues, but I could be wrong. DNF's documentation has been fairly good - you might check their website (I think that it's DNFcontrols.com - but if that's wrong you could always Google it) to see if the documentation says anything about erasing all cues. If you can't set the PBus protocol controls at the DNF box, the Kalypso allows you to change them in the ENG menu to match the device. Most devices use ODD pairity, so you could narrow it down & experiment with the speed - 38.4 is pretty much the industry norm. If nothing works, then it COULD be the cable - some devices require a crossover cable (null modem), and others don't.

Bob Ennis

rlwokc
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Greg, We don't see anywhere on the setup of the DigiCart to set it to Grass Valley Protocal. We are using a DigiCart II Plus running software version 2.51.
greg
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Bob, Do you know if there is a way to wipe out the device memory? also if we would have a DNF box, that people are talking about here, would fix this problem.
Bob Ennis
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The reason that your pbus recalls sometimes call up different things is because the switcher has no clue as to what the actual device is recalling - it mearly sends out a command - it is the device that remembers the recall. Thus, if you have set your switcher register #1 to recall digicart sound effect X and someone else reprograms the digicart to call up sound effect Q when they do register #1, the last thing that was taught to the digicart is what it will remember. Reloading your own effects won't help, as it's the digicart's pbus interface that has the memory...Pbus commands are "blind" as they leave the switcher. That's why doing a Learn/Mod works for you - it resets the digicart's pbus "memory" & it will stay this way until it's relearned. It sounds like you may want to get with the other TD's in your facility (if possible) to work out a universal group of register-to-command sets so that you don't keep stepping on or writing over each other's pbus commands.

Bob Ennis

greg
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we can recall clips, trigger etc. the only problem we have encountered is after we reload the switcher emem's for the day a few effects will recall different sound clips. This is fixed with a simple learn mod. I think this is because the effect was originally built before the pbus was enabled (originally we used gpi). I have re-built some effects from scratch and they work fine.
5mars
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Hellon Greg, Can you recall clips that way or only trig the one already selected? JP
greg
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Randy, Here is some info from our engineer here at WNEP (yep, one of your sister stations). We have our kalypso set up to directly work with the 360 digicart system (we don't use an external box) here is what he told me. Make certain the DigiCart is set for "Grass Valley Protocol" in the setup menu. Here is our ENG setup Device Name - DigiCart, Assigned port - Port 6, J14 38.4k,none. I can email you a pict from the menu. See if that helps. greg
Lou Delgresiano
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I've noticed a lot of DNF PBus boxes sit unused in production trucks. Your station guys may want to call around to some of the mobile companies and see if they're willing to unload one on the cheap. Since the advent of DDRs I haven't used a DNF PBus box in a long time.
rlwokc
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Yes he works on the ESPN crew. He runs camera and has run the camera behind the plate and last year I think he did camera relief. I haven't ask him if he's working this year. His nick name is Farkel and believe another friend of mine Mark Voyles has worked them as well on camera.
Steve Meyer
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I'm sure we've crossed paths. Did he work on the ESPN crew? What does he do?
rlwokc
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Thanks guys. We didn't realize we needed a DNF box in the middle. We have one controling our VR-300 so we are familiar with them. We may just go the GPI route. Steve you might know a guy named Mark Northcutt if you normaly work the WCWS. He works with me here at KFOR and has worked the WCWS the last several years.
Steve Meyer
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What you want is the DNF PBIB - PBuss Interface Box. As Dave mentioned, this is a device that goes between the DigiCart and the Kalypso. The Kalypso doesn't control the DigiCart natively. The PBIB lets you assign a DigiCart clip to be recalled and played via EMEMs using PBuss, exactly the same way you would communicate with a DDR using a Lance or DNF controller. Now, if all you want to do is trigger one single, solitary sound cut, and not change the cut from timeline to timeline, then you'll be OK with using a GPI trigger into the DigiCart - a simple 2-wire contact closure that triggers a "Play" command on the DigiCart. Of course, we all know too well what happens when managers and producers tell us, "only one sound effect - that's it, ever" :-) According to your post, you're in OKC, right? If you end up getting one of these and need help setting it up, I'll be in Oklahoma City from 5/30 to 6/5, TDing the Women's College World Series up at ASA Stadium. I'd be happy to come by your station and show you how to use the interface. Good luck, and let us know how things turn out. -Steve
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Hmm Last time I checked it was necessary to use a DNF Digicart controller to operate the DigiCart from the switcher using PBuss (or use GPIs directly to trigger a play) . The DNF controller can be programmed to recall various clips on the DigiCart and can send a play trigger. I forget the product number, but it's a one RU device that usually sits next to the switcher and is programmed by the TD.