I figured it out today! I started from scratch and sort of stumbled upon the answer. Once you build/save the initial timeline effect and then save just the DME portion, the Transition Mode menu page 6114 becomes active. Then, you simply select the needed mode and your user DME transition will work correctly. For my shuffle effect, "Dual" was the correct mode. "P In P" changed the motion path, so that it had a short pause on the middle keyframe. That makes sense since the preset picture-in-picture transitions stop on that middle keyframe. Thanks.

[quote="RE"]First off, when you created the DME effect that seems to work correctly, did you attach both DME channels to the same keyer (i,e, turn the combiner on)?[/quote] Yes, I sure did. Using combiner was the only way to change the channel priority to create the shuffle effect. [quote="RE"]Make sure to turn AUTO on on menu page 4211 (if you're using the MVE-8000)[/quote] With AUTO on, I can't manually set the priority and I need to do this. If AUTO is off, I can simply select priority or use the MIX option. I found information in the Sony MVS-8000 User Guide -- Volume 1 1st Ed (Rev 7) Software v5.00 & later on Pg 413-417 -- on user programmable DME patterns. The shuffle effect I am describing seems most like a picture-in-picture two-channel mode effect. For this, it indicates the need to start with CH1 fullscreen, having priority over CH2 which can be in any position since it's not visible. Then, at the middle keyframe to change the priority to CH2 over CH1. On the final keyframe, CH2 ends up fullscreen, with CH1 in any position since it's covered by CH2. Lastly, it indicates the need to select P In P in the Transition Mode group on menu page 6114. I think this is the step I'm missing. Without telling the DME how to treat the effect I built, it's obviously confused. However, this menu is grayed out! I can't seem to figure out how to access these options. Any thoughts?

[quote="marascoc"]I can't seem to find a good answer and I'm new to the 8000 (and it's been many years since I used the 7000). I'm attempting to recreate a 7000 effect and must be missing something since I can't get it to work on the 8000. The effect is basically a shuffling movement using 2 channels of DME. Both channels seperate and then change priorities and come back to center. The effect works correctly when run from the Keyframe Module & as an effect from the flexipad. However, when I save the effect to a 2CH DME user wipe and try to run a DME transition from an M/E flexipad the same source is in both channels and once the shuffle happens, there is a cut to the second source. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?[/quote] Chris, First off, when you created the DME effect that seems to work correctly, did you attach both DME channels to the same keyer (i,e, turn the combiner on)? If you used two keyers with two separate channels of DME this might be what you're experiencing. Multi-Channel DME wipes always use the built-in combiner to accomlish their depth processing. If this is the case, please try to build your effect again and use both channels on the same keyer. Make sure to turn AUTO on on menu page 4211 (if you're using the MVE-8000) or turn on DEPTH if you're using the MVE-9000 DME. Actually you can still use AUTO on the MVE-9000 as well. You were correct in assigning to the 201-299 numbers for custom DME wipes. Please give this a try to see if this solves your problem. [quote="marascoc"]In a broader sense, I'd also like to find out what the limitations are in using an effect with DME Link and what specific DME attributes can be used? Do certain parameters not translate when saved as a DME user wipe? I've heard that you have to start and end the effect with the DME channels either on or off screen. This doesn't make sense though since this particular effect was used with DME link on the 7000 and the channels started and ended on screen, not off.[/quote] I am not aware of any DME parameters that do not "translate" to a DME wipe. The general rule is if you can do it on a keyer, it can be done on a DME Wipe. But a little theory here.... Essentially, each ME on an MVS has 5 Keyers. The fifth keyer is essentially dedicated for DME Wipes. DME wipes are actually kind of simple.... let's say you're doing a simple slide-over from offscreen left to full onscreen. Basically, the switcher routes the B bus into the DME channel, turns Key 5 on and goes to the first keyframe of the DME effect, which is off-screen. To your eye, you don't see anything at all becuase it did it all at the same time. Then when you run the effect, the picture from the B Bus slides over and completey covers the A Bus. Again, in one frame, the switcher flip-flops the A and B busses so that the source that was in the DME is not on-line and visa versa. The DME is rewound to Keyframe 1, which is offscreen to the left. Since the B Bus was always routed to the DME input, what was on air is now ready to slide over again. You can keep repeating this as often as you like. When you build a custom DME Wipe effect you have to keep this theory in mind. DME wipe effects must be built so that the first keyframe is always off-screen and the last keyframe is always full screen (unless you're trying to something special but that's another lesson altogether!) If you build it correctly and follow the theory above, it will be just as seamless as the built-in effect described above. However if you build it backwards it will always have the sources wrong. Here's why..... Taking the slide-over theory mentioned above..... if the first keyframe were full screen and the second keyframe were off-screen, when you pressed the DME WIPE button, remember the switcher immediately routes the B Buss to the DME and turns on Key 5 (DME key). IF the first KF is full screen, then the B bus will appear fullscreen - and wrong. It's actually no different than if DME wipe didn't exist and you built your slide-over effect wrong. When we come to 2 channel effects, I always follow the same rules.... Channel 1 starts off-screen and channel 2 starts full screen. So if you want to do your orbit effect, make CH1 the one behind and CH2 the one in front. MAke the KFs for the effect and it should work correctly. Just remember that when building you have to use the combiner and not use a DME channel on two different keyers. (Disclaimer.... it's been a ittle bit since I've created a 2ch DME wipe so if I have the CH1 off/Ch2 on thing backwards I'm sorry.) Hope this hels and good luck, RE