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Profile , Lance Questions

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Fri, 12/15/2006 - 19:16
Curt
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Hello,

Have a few quick questions

I was using a profile and ffwd the other day...controlling through a lance. Had the 2 profile channels in BVW mode...Had the fill and matte on separate tapes.. Crashed on both the FFWD and also both channels of Pro to ingest the media I needed. All is well..able to trigger from the Lance either device ...no issues...

Two things I had ingested were opens w/ the name of a guest we were having on for the show. Another guest was added, so the fill had to be updated to show two names...The following day I got a fill tape w/ the new opens. Director said Mattes stayed the same so I decided to use the one I already had ingested instead of reingesting from the previous days tape..as I was originally going to do.

So..cued the fill clip in profile and FFWD after the media ended that I recorded the previous day. Crashed on both the profile and FFWD...and reingested the new media.

Ok..so I start w/ the Profile...Cue up the fill to the new open...cue up matte channel to the previous days matte...Gang the two channels on the lance...do a learn on the switcher ( A Kalypso) Cue point takes. So I now have two clips newly marked in the lance , as well as the ones from the previous day. HEre is where the problem is. I go to cue up the clips from the previous day...and then cue the new ones...At some point the profile stops cueing correctly...All I now see is black on the output. Did the same thing on the FFWD..and it worked no problem.

Here is what I thought may have happened. On Wednesday..I recorded media around noon. On Thursday...I recorded earlier...let's say 11am. So, since I didn't have the TC patched into the profile....My clips from the previous day I think had 12:00 TC...whereas my clips from Thursday had 11:00 timecode. ( Time of Day TC was being recorded)

Since I was in BVW mode...My thought was I am basically using a 24hr tape in essense....the media I recorded Thursday came physically after the media on Wednesday....I had 12:00 timecode before 11:00 timecode on the "tape"..ie profile clip. I wasn't sure if the profile was seeing where I was once I cued a 12:00 clip...then when I tried to cue an 11:00 timecode clip...the profile tried to cue before the 12:00 clips started...but since that isn't where I physcially recorded it...the profile just got confused.. When I looked at the VDR panel, I think the "bytes" section ( I think it was called that)...the one next to the TC window..read "Zero"..as if there wasn't any info on the clip size wise. Clip was still loaded.

So....I thought the one solution would be to restripe the clip.. The problem w/ that was that I would have to go through and remark all the clips , including the ones from the previous day.

How do you all handle late changes to already ingested media on a profile? The FFWD had no issues w/ this procedure...so that leads me to believe that I had either a setting wrong...or the profile handles things differently. I thought maybe I should have had TC patched ...but I still may have had a problem depending on when the artist recorded the source material ( he could have recorded the same way I ingested...w/ the new media havng an earlier TC than the day before)...I guess one way around this would have been to have the TC patched, but restripe the TC on the tape to a time after noon...

Second question....I also tried to use clips on the profile at one point also...to no avail. I was able to see clips in the clip list...and jog through them on the lance...able to cue them w/ the CUR button on the lance.....was able to see the clip was associated w/ the lance register...but the clip wouldn't cue...Profile was set to odetics mode...no luck. Bill D ( from this site) reminded me that the lance and profile , the lance changes TC by an hr. Wondering how, if at all, you use profile and a lance in clip mode...I have to go back and look through my emails to see if I have the answer for this from an email we received from Bill Lance regarding this.

Show was ok...only actually ended using the FFWD anyway, didn't need profile..but now I am just curious.

Lastly, a comment...the lance and the ffwd work so well together, you would think they were designed by the same person!!
Makes it much easier for me since I am usually in a studio setting, not a truck. When I get on a truck it is usually many months from the last time I was on a truck. Having the ease of use really is great.

Thanks as always.
Curt

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Sat, 12/16/2006 - 15:37
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[quote="Seth Madway"][quote="Curt"]Here is what I thought may have happened. On Wednesday..I recorded media around noon. On Thursday...I recorded earlier...let's say 11am. So, since I didn't have the TC patched into the profile....My clips from the previous day I think had 12:00 TC...whereas my clips from Thursday had 11:00 timecode. ( Time of Day TC was being recorded)[/quote] [/quote] [quote="Seth Madway"]With either device, I would be very careful about recording with Time of Day TC. Like you said, the FFwd is in essence a 24 hour tape. If you happend to record the new material at the same time the next day, you would overwrite the existing material. In BVW mode, there is no way to protect material on the FFwd.[/quote] Hadn't thought of having TC at the samepoint as the previous days TC. Makes sense that is a 24hr blacked tape.....that there can only be one "12:00". [quote="Seth Madway"]When I use a FFwd, I either jam the TC from the source tape, or "dead patch" the TC input so that I can record the material at any TC I want.[/quote] So w/ the dead patch..you just cue the FFWD to the "internal" TC you want..and record from there...Cool. [quote="Seth Madway"]With the Profile, you can control how it handles TC from software. [quote="Curt"]So....I thought the one solution would be to restripe the clip.. The problem w/ that was that I would have to go through and remark all the clips , including the ones from the previous day. [quote="Seth Madway"]I assume that you recalled your clip, and cued past the existing material before recording the new material. If so, when you restripe, you need to enter the existing starting TC from the clip. The original material will then maintain their cue points.[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] Yep..that is what I did...cued up the last element I had recorded...shuttled past it...then recorded from there....Good idea of restriping from the existing clip's TC...Wish I had thought of that one.. [quote="Curt"]How do you all handle late changes to already ingested media on a profile? The FFWD had no issues w/ this procedure...so that leads me to believe that I had either a setting wrong...or the profile handles things differently. I thought maybe I should have had TC patched ...but I still may have had a problem depending on when the artist recorded the source material ( he could have recorded the same way I ingested...w/ the new media havng an earlier TC than the day before)...I guess one way around this would have been to have the TC patched, but restripe the TC on the tape to a time after noon...[quote="Seth Madway"]When I use a Profile in BVW mode, I stripe my primary clip starting at 01:00:00:00. I also trim the backend of the clip tight to the end of the material. Additions are recorded in new clips, (never a fear of accidentally overwriting anything). The clips are than "Grouped", and restriped at 01:00:00:00.[/quote] [/quote] real good idea. Never done in the grouping option...I seem to remember seeing the option in a pull down....I did "protect " the clips as a precaution when I wasn't adding material .. When you group clips is a new clip created? I am assuming not since you mentioned that you trim clips tight on the back end...I assume this is done so there isn't alot of space between clips in the group. All great ideas...thank you and I will keep those in mind for next time. Curt
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Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:40
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[quote="Curt"]Here is what I thought may have happened. On Wednesday..I recorded media around noon. On Thursday...I recorded earlier...let's say 11am. So, since I didn't have the TC patched into the profile....My clips from the previous day I think had 12:00 TC...whereas my clips from Thursday had 11:00 timecode. ( Time of Day TC was being recorded)[/quote] With either device, I would be very careful about recording with Time of Day TC. Like you said, the FFwd is in essence a 24 hour tape. If you happend to record the new material at the same time the next day, you would overwrite the existing material. In BVW mode, there is no way to protect material on the FFwd. When I use a FFwd, I either jam the TC from the source tape, or "dead patch" the TC input so that I can record the material at any TC I want. With the Profile, you can control how it handles TC from software. [quote="Curt"]So....I thought the one solution would be to restripe the clip.. The problem w/ that was that I would have to go through and remark all the clips , including the ones from the previous day.[/quote] I assume that you recalled your clip, and cued past the existing material before recording the new material. If so, when you restripe, you need to enter the existing starting TC from the clip. The original material will then maintain their cue points. [quote="Curt"]How do you all handle late changes to already ingested media on a profile? The FFWD had no issues w/ this procedure...so that leads me to believe that I had either a setting wrong...or the profile handles things differently. I thought maybe I should have had TC patched ...but I still may have had a problem depending on when the artist recorded the source material ( he could have recorded the same way I ingested...w/ the new media havng an earlier TC than the day before)...I guess one way around this would have been to have the TC patched, but restripe the TC on the tape to a time after noon...[/quote] When I use a Profile in BVW mode, I stripe my primary clip starting at 01:00:00:00. I also trim the backend of the clip tight to the end of the material. Additions are recorded in new clips, (never a fear of accidentally overwriting anything). The clips are than "Grouped", and restriped at 01:00:00:00.
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