[quote="Bob Ennis"]Hi Bill; Yes, the shutterbox acts like a traditional crop (left, right, top, bottom). The pattern mask works in conjunction with the regular mask - there are 2 separate masks (shutterbox, pattern) on both the keyer itself as well as on the DME. Any masks done on the DME would be downstream of the key, but upstream of the DME positioning. If you wanted the DME upstream of the masks, you would use the actual DME output as a source on the keyer - then the keyer masks would happen after any DME positioning. You can of course use a snapshot or an effect to call up the DME with the M/E. But by doing so, you'd need a snapshot on both the M/E levels as well as on the DME level - and then you get into the organization issue of having to use the same channel of DME for recall that you built it on...by taking a DME effect & using it as a DME transition on the keyer (or on the background) -custom effect 101 thru 199- you only need a snapshot on the M/E level (the DME transition will become part of the M/E's timeline or snapshot). And a by-product of this is that when using a DME transition, the system will go out & grab the 1st available DME channel to do the positioning - you won't need the same channel that you originally built the effect into.[/quote] Good info Bob, thanks, I need more time on the 8K. I never heard back from last year about the 'free' training they were offering. I know a few places locally that I could go and learn a bit, but much easier getting it all at once from someone that knows the board in and out. thanks Bill

Hi Bill; Yes, the shutterbox acts like a traditional crop (left, right, top, bottom). The pattern mask works in conjunction with the regular mask - there are 2 separate masks (shutterbox, pattern) on both the keyer itself as well as on the DME. Any masks done on the DME would be downstream of the key, but upstream of the DME positioning. If you wanted the DME upstream of the masks, you would use the actual DME output as a source on the keyer - then the keyer masks would happen after any DME positioning. You can of course use a snapshot or an effect to call up the DME with the M/E. But by doing so, you'd need a snapshot on both the M/E levels as well as on the DME level - and then you get into the organization issue of having to use the same channel of DME for recall that you built it on...by taking a DME effect & using it as a DME transition on the keyer (or on the background) -custom effect 101 thru 199- you only need a snapshot on the M/E level (the DME transition will become part of the M/E's timeline or snapshot). And a by-product of this is that when using a DME transition, the system will go out & grab the 1st available DME channel to do the positioning - you won't need the same channel that you originally built the effect into.

[quote="Bob Ennis"]The actual keyer masls are pre-DME. The DME's masks are post. But the DME's have both a shutterbox as well as a pattern mask. If you don't want to play witht the DME's shutterbox masks, you could pre-adjust the pattern masks & then just turn them on/off as necessary to get the result. It almost sounds like you're talking about a shot clock type of mask. If that's the case; rather than call up the DME as a process key (like you would on a Kalypso, just build the DME position(s) (with & without masks) & store them as DME transitions for the key - even if each DME "effect" only has 1 keyframe. That way they'll always be there (selectable on the Flexi-Pad) & you won't have to actually build a timeline effect to use them.[/quote] Bob, Shutterbox masks are basically a crop? pattern mask is donwstream of any of the positioning in the DVE? So to include the DME with the ME, you can't use a snapshot, only effect or dme wipe then? thanks Bill

The actual keyer masls are pre-DME. The DME's masks are post. But the DME's have both a shutterbox as well as a pattern mask. If you don't want to play witht the DME's shutterbox masks, you could pre-adjust the pattern masks & then just turn them on/off as necessary to get the result. It almost sounds like you're talking about a shot clock type of mask. If that's the case; rather than call up the DME as a process key (like you would on a Kalypso, just build the DME position(s) (with & without masks) & store them as DME transitions for the key - even if each DME "effect" only has 1 keyframe. That way they'll always be there (selectable on the Flexi-Pad) & you won't have to actually build a timeline effect to use them.