[quote="Bob Ennis"]Bill - When you squeeze back, you've got to have something to reveal under the squeeze...the A/B output plus keys 1 & 2 are already inside of the squeezed box - if you don't use something else like key 4, then you're going to be revealing the A/B buses again: that's because the trick here is using Key 3 as a full-screen source that always covers the A/B background. Thus, if there's nothing else behind Key 3 you'll see the A bus on both the inside of the box as well as outside of the box...this may look a little wierd. By doing this whole thing as a PCF, the user still has the rest of the switcher available, and can continue switching their show as they always have. They won't have to re-learn their switching technique or have to remember to start switching on the secondary side. When we were doing it, we also sent out the B output, so one client got the A output with the squeezeback while another client got the B output which was identical but was not in a squeeze condition. I never had to change my switching style...it all happened automatically; and all I had to do was run one effect on the PGM level to get the squeeze. In fact I built a macro to do this for me, so I never even had to think about using the Master E-Mem pad for anything other than the usual recalls. I'm not saying that the way that I did it is the only way, or even the best way - there were some other great suggestions offered here. Jim should have a lot of choices as to what will work best for him.[/quote] Bob, I agree bunch of ways to do it I suppose, and using PCF on pgm/pst is one of the best ways, because everything else you do doesn't change. If you read Allan's post that is the setup I built when they decided they wanted a news show to look like PTI, and do it on a 4K with a DVEous. That was confusing for the first few shows. Back in my day on a 4K..... :)

Bill - When you squeeze back, you've got to have something to reveal under the squeeze...the A/B output plus keys 1 & 2 are already inside of the squeezed box - if you don't use something else like key 4, then you're going to be revealing the A/B buses again: that's because the trick here is using Key 3 as a full-screen source that always covers the A/B background. Thus, if there's nothing else behind Key 3 you'll see the A bus on both the inside of the box as well as outside of the box...this may look a little wierd. By doing this whole thing as a PCF, the user still has the rest of the switcher available, and can continue switching their show as they always have. They won't have to re-learn their switching technique or have to remember to start switching on the secondary side. When we were doing it, we also sent out the B output, so one client got the A output with the squeezeback while another client got the B output which was identical but was not in a squeeze condition. I never had to change my switching style...it all happened automatically; and all I had to do was run one effect on the PGM level to get the squeeze. In fact I built a macro to do this for me, so I never even had to think about using the Master E-Mem pad for anything other than the usual recalls. I'm not saying that the way that I did it is the only way, or even the best way - there were some other great suggestions offered here. Jim should have a lot of choices as to what will work best for him.

A few years ago I had to set up a show in this way. As some others have done, I split PGM to get it done. I also patched the PGM A output back into the Kalypso. This was before Version 12 and re-entry ability. On the secondary side of PGM, I had two keyers (3 and 4) set up with the patched in PGM and a Codi graphics machine. I made the main output of the Kalypso PGM D and switched the show on PGM A. I used a couple of Macros to push the video and graphics machine in and out. I don't know if I would do it that way again, but it worked. I would probably do the push on the back side of M/E 1 and do all my effects on PGM and M/E3. Good Luck, Joe

[quote="Bob Ennis"]I've had to do something like this before...what I did was the following: 1. Put the PGM M/E into PCF Mode. In the Daily Setups/Suite Prefs menu, turn off the M/E re-entry restriction. 2. Assign only keys 1 & 2 to the "B" output of PGM. 3. Assign only keys 3 & 4 to the "A" output of PGM. 4. Key 3 = PGM/PST "B" - this goes into your Transform Engine & will do the squeeze. 5. Key 4 = The background that you'll be squeezing Key 3 over. Leave Keys 3 & 4 always on on PGM. When you switch & add keys 1 & 2, you're actually doing it on the B output, which is the feed into Key 3, which (along with Key 4) is over everything. Now, you run the Key 3 Timeline to squeeze back, revealing Key 4 underneath...you can continue to switch & add keys on PGM, just like you always have. So with this technique, you don't have to adjust your switching style...you'll just be losing 2 DSK's.[/quote] Bob, Do you need Key 4, or could you use the actual bgd of pgm A. later Bill

I've had to do something like this before...what I did was the following: 1. Put the PGM M/E into PCF Mode. In the Daily Setups/Suite Prefs menu, turn off the M/E re-entry restriction. 2. Assign only keys 1 & 2 to the "B" output of PGM. 3. Assign only keys 3 & 4 to the "A" output of PGM. 4. Key 3 = PGM/PST "B" - this goes into your Transform Engine & will do the squeeze. 5. Key 4 = The background that you'll be squeezing Key 3 over. Leave Keys 3 & 4 always on on PGM. When you switch & add keys 1 & 2, you're actually doing it on the B output, which is the feed into Key 3, which (along with Key 4) is over everything. Now, you run the Key 3 Timeline to squeeze back, revealing Key 4 underneath...you can continue to switch & add keys on PGM, just like you always have. So with this technique, you don't have to adjust your switching style...you'll just be losing 2 DSK's.

I'm not sure what your facility is wired like but this could be an option if you have double take on the kalypso. Set PGM up in split mode and assign say key 1 to primary output and keys 2-3-4 on secondary. On key 1 put Pgm B as your key source. Set your squezze up there. delegate pgm/pst to secondary mode you can now cut the show on pgm secondary with three keyers on pgm. The only downfall is you will get a 1 frame shift(possibly) a delay. In theory this should work, I've never tried it but have thought about it. greg

Jim, I haven't had to do this on a Kalypso but I've worked on a show that had to do it on a 4k and a DVEous. What we did was fed M/E 3 to DVE 2 (lucky us, we have split channels). We'd take DVE 2 to air on the PGM/PST bus and punch the entire show in M/E 3. All DDR transitions were built to key and undercut in M/E 3 so everything was in the squeezeback. We'd use DVE 1 for any crosstalks (splits, doubles, big/littles) and we'd composite that in M/E 2 and just take M/E 2 to air through M/E 3. It took a little time getting used to at first but once you do, it's a piece of cake. Just out of curiosity, do you have 3 or 6 transform engines? Do you have an external DVE? Is it a full 4 M/E Kalypso or something smaller? Hope I was able to help a little. -Allan