Ok....if you insist! Seriously, FlexiKey is planned for release in early 2008. Four clean-feed outputs per M/E, plus 2 previews, keyers assignable to any output, or not. Rick Paulson Product Manager Grass Valley Inc.

[quote="Sean"]I'm still not catching why they went with keyer priority rather than specific keyer. Sean[/quote] Also, on other switchers the clean feeds from each ME is E-Mem/Snapshot-able. Therfore, if you need key 4 usually, but then on one effect you need key 3 & 4 you can Emem & TIMELINE it for that specific effect. No need to EVER worry, just create the effect as you need. I once realized that my open wasn't going to the clean feed, cause it was keyed on DSK3, I just changed my Emem for that effect to include DSK3 on that effect, and it was timelined so it would pop DSK3 back so it wasn't included in the CF next time I keyed DSK3 (usually an animated live bug). Try to think about that while on a Kayak. (& yes, I am fully aware that the Kayak can handle that, but it makes you have to think, change priorities, and dig down into some menu that you can't find, & can't remember where it is--is that E-Box, or Panel--and then you have to remember that if you change the CF, it's on all effects, not just the one I'm working on right now.) Can someone PLEASE work on the Kayak Clean Feeds to make them like the Kalypso. Both switchers are from the same company... right??? --- Dan

Dave, thanks for the response. I don't think I phrased my question quite right. Sticking with Dave's example...wouldn't a clean feed that simply removed specific keyers themselves, still be easier? You remove everything but key 4 (FF). I'm still not catching why they went with keyer priority rather than specific keyer. In fact, doesn't Dave point out the weakness in the system (clients who want some, but not all, keys and TDs getting stuck having to re-arrange their levels into less than desirable orders)? My apologies in advance if I am being dense on this one. Sean

Sean, We have a Kayak on MMTV's PUMA Colorado. The only time I've had to use the "clean feed" function has been for MLS games. We only have 1.5 M/E's so keying and effects are a challenge to begin with (no wipes or transforms on the .5 M/E). MLS doesn't want any fonts or full-screen branded elements (packages) but they do want the replay effect. I usually setup multi-M/E shows (not duel feeds) to use K3 as the tele and K4 as the FFV, order and priority, but that would result in the tele going to the MLS. The TD needs to change his normal setup, possibly risking a bad switch every now and then, to achieve the MLS clean feed. I change the priority so that instinctively reaching for K4 really will allow me to run an elevator from the FFV . . . it just might have a tele over it if the announcers are drawing. Anyway, that's one example of clean feeds being used for something other than record purposes and where the keyer priority might be an issue. Dave

[quote="Dan Berger"]the clean feeds of each ME are programmed not by Background + SPECIFIC keyers, but by Background + PRIORITY of keyers. So BG + 1 = BG + Keyer priority #1; BG + 2 = BG plus keyer priority #1 & #2. So if your priorities change in you Emems, so does your clean feed.[/quote] Hi, guys. I have no need to know this, I'm just curious. In what situation would it be more useful to have my cleanfeed based on keyer priorities than on actual keyers? In my (limited) experience, cleanfeed has strictly been for record purposes. Obviously there are situations like the Barry Bonds thing Dan mentions, feeds for secondary clients (no branded replay), etc, etc. But in each of those, it seems I would simply want to exclude (or include in the Bonds scenario) a specific source...which would generally be a specific keyer. I'm curious as to how basing on keyer priority might be more useful? Thanks, Sean

[quote="Dan Berger"]It would be great to be able to bus link on the Kayak like on the Kalypso & Sony. I always set up an Aux to be bus linked to my P/P bus, and link ME1, ME2, & ME3 to take ME1-clean, ME2-clean, & ME3-clean in the Aux. That way I never have to program my timeline to take the clean ME, it follows along all the time. --- Dan[/quote] Can you not bus link on the Kayak? The DD35 and XtenDD can. You can also create a substitution table to replace ME1 with ME1 clean, etc.

Thanks, guys. Sean, that was the menu - thank you. I must have overlooked it. Dan, you're exactly right regarding clean feed specification - BKGD, BKGD + Keyer 1, etc - not very robust by any means but it did what I needed it to do. Again, thanks guys! JH

I haven't programmed a clean feed on a Kayak yet (Kalypso & Sony 8K are great in this manner), but as I remember, the clean feeds of each ME are programmed not by Background + SPECIFIC keyers, but by Background + PRIORITY of keyers. So BG + 1 = BG + Keyer priority #1; BG + 2 = BG plus keyer priority #1 & #2. So if your priorities change in you Emems, so does your clean feed. It would be great to be able to bus link on the Kayak like on the Kalypso & Sony. I always set up an Aux to be bus linked to my P/P bus, and link ME1, ME2, & ME3 to take ME1-clean, ME2-clean, & ME3-clean in the Aux. That way I never have to program my timeline to take the clean ME, it follows along all the time. The other great thing about these 2 switchers, is that the clean of each ME can be changed for each Emem/Snapshot recall. So if you REALLY want the branding to go to the clean feed while Barry Bonds is at bat, you hit your "Barry" Snapshot/Emem, and now you've got your "FOX" branding going everywhere. Please correct me if I'm wrong in the Kayak clean feed. Again, I haven't used it, and hope I never have to, cause, like the rest of the Kayak, I'll be lost (no, not quite as lost as I am in the show "Lost," but at least "Lost" keeps me intrigued, while the Kayak keeps me... well... I won't go there). Good luck in figuring it out, and let us know how to do it when you do figure it out. --- Dan

John, Its been awhile, but I believe on the DD35 you needed to go into the following menus: Config/EBox/ME and click on Clean Feed, then select which ME you want. Clean Feed is not like the Kalypso, its less flexible. You can select just the background or you can add some keyers to it. The difference is that you can only add/subtract keyers in order. ie, you can have background plus key1, but not background plus just key2. It would have to be key1 and 2. I don't know for sure that it works this way on Kayak, but that is the "DD way" of doing it. Sean

IF the Kayak follows the DD-35, I seem to remember that you had to "define" the clean feed. It has been a while since I sat in front of a DD-35 and my time on the Kayak is very limited.