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Mongo
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I posted this in the TD forum, but wanted some input from here, if anyone has an answer...

JohnHowardSC wrote:

Just curious to see how the first weekend of BTN went for you guys? Anyone here do the Ap State / Michigan game?

Didn't do the AppState/Mich game...wish I had...

As far as punching the show, it went pretty well. I have an issue with the clean feed I need to figure out, though. We were using Aux 13 to feed the DVCPro machines, and I configured the aux to use P/P CF, then used a substitution table, for that aux only, to replace ME1 with ME1CF and ME2 with ME2CF when punched on the P/P bus...but it didn't work.

The only other issue I had was trying to get the star wipe underneath the "replay out" move to reverse. I fiddled with it for about an hour, and finally just did a 10 frame dissolve underneath all the replay moves.

I've gotta say, though, once you have a few basic emems created, it's pretty easy to copy them to another register and edit them (macros too). It helps to have a graphical view of where everything is going.

SOMETHING TO BEWARE OF ON TRUCK 18: The second button on the Program bus is EXTREMELY sensitive. If you map Cam 1 to it, know that the slightest brush against it will take it. I suggest moving cams down one button and avoid using it until it's fixed. A couple other buttons are more senstive than usual, but manageable.

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[quote="Rick Tugman"]The BTN Replay element I saw on the ftp site looked very similiar to the NFL Replay effect in it's treatment. I wondered at the time how they were going to do that with the ClipStore! Can it be done, yes, but the second matte would have to be loaded into the RAM recorder and perfectly synced for it to work correctly. As for the frame of black ... depending on the matte that sometimes is not an issue, but I agree that one frame does help in certain circumstances. That is very unusual. While it's a new network look as you mention, the artists are used to designing for a show that has more resources available to it ie: SpotBox. I tell you for sure these elemets are designed and are created by the same graphics team at FOX in LA. The elements just can't be applied as easily on the equipment the mobile company installed, which will eventually handicap what they come up with and how it can be implemented.[/quote] Yeah I kinda figured the Fox team designed the look. Everything is HUGE and makes lots of noise. Nice package, though. Very slick and modern.
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[quote="tomkaltz"][quote="Rick Tugman"][quote="tomkaltz"]I sure wish Fox would design this stuff with a fully keyed frame for undercut, though.[/quote] I have a funny feeling the effects for BTN were designed the same as the NFL Replay move, with two mattes. One would have to check the ftp site however to confirm this, but it would stand to reason the same designers are designing elements that just can't be done on a two channel box - thus the star wipe![/quote] You bring up a good question, but these games are done in a finite environment by using their own trucks. All 3 trucks are designed exaclty the same and have a 2 channel Clipstore. Your hypothesis still could be correct, though. There may have been some mis-communication between BTN and their artists. There are some other problems I saw on some moves like them not putting a frame of black between the marker and the first frame of the animation. Very annoying. It's a new network with a new look. Hopefully they'll get everything worked out.[/quote] The BTN Replay element I saw on the ftp site looked very similiar to the NFL Replay effect in it's treatment. I wondered at the time how they were going to do that with the ClipStore! Can it be done, yes, but the second matte would have to be loaded into the RAM recorder and perfectly synced for it to work correctly. As for the frame of black ... depending on the matte that sometimes is not an issue, but I agree that one frame does help in certain circumstances. That is very unusual. While it's a new network look as you mention, the artists are used to designing for a show that has more resources available to it ie: SpotBox. I tell you for sure these elemets are designed and are created by the same graphics team at FOX in LA. The elements just can't be applied as easily on the equipment the mobile company installed, which will eventually handicap what they come up with and how it can be implemented.
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[quote="Rick Tugman"][quote="tomkaltz"]I sure wish Fox would design this stuff with a fully keyed frame for undercut, though.[/quote] I have a funny feeling the effects for BTN were designed the same as the NFL Replay move, with two mattes. One would have to check the ftp site however to confirm this, but it would stand to reason the same designers are designing elements that just can't be done on a two channel box - thus the star wipe![/quote] You bring up a good question, but these games are done in a finite environment by using their own trucks. All 3 trucks are designed exaclty the same and have a 2 channel Clipstore. Your hypothesis still could be correct, though. There may have been some mis-communication between BTN and their artists. There are some other problems I saw on some moves like them not putting a frame of black between the marker and the first frame of the animation. Very annoying. It's a new network with a new look. Hopefully they'll get everything worked out.
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[quote="tomkaltz"]I sure wish Fox would design this stuff with a fully keyed frame for undercut, though.[/quote] I have a funny feeling the effects for BTN were designed the same as the NFL Replay move, with two mattes. One would have to check the ftp site however to confirm this, but it would stand to reason the same designers are designing elements that just can't be done on a two channel box - thus the star wipe!
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That's amazing! I thought the star-wipe was reduced to just a comedic novelty! I'm definitely going to try and build that move with a star wipe in the future. I sure wish Fox would design this stuff with a fully keyed frame for undercut, though. As far as consistency between TD's that's the only way to do it. Either that or a style guideline as to where we should put the under cut or dissolve. (or star wipe!)
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[quote="tomkaltz"]You're doing a star wipe under the replay move?!?![/quote] Sure...why have hamburger when you can have steak? Actually, the replay effect has a star in it, so the wipe fits in with the "theme" of the effect. Now if I could just get the damn thing to reverse...
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[quote="Mongo"]JohnHowardSC wrote: Just curious to see how the first weekend of BTN went for you guys? Anyone here do the Ap State / Michigan game?[/quote] That game was switched by Byron Vivian.
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You're doing a star wipe under the replay move?!?!
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Let me hear that it works! :| Please! Chris
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[quote="Chris Boden"]Please try to make an Aux-couple for your Aux 13 to the "PP Main out" instead of routing the PP CLNF directly to it. It normally should work together with the substitution table. Chris[/quote] I think you may be onto something there... I'll give that a try. Thanks!
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Okay... :/ Did you select the configured substitution table for Aux 13 in the Aux-couple menu? - I'm sure you did... Well, then I have to give up or think about it a little while... (a few hours later...) Please try to make an Aux-couple for your Aux 13 to the "PP Main out" instead of routing the PP CLNF directly to it. It normally should work together with the substitution table. Chris
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Did that, so that's not the problem. I'm pretty well stumped on this one.
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Hi John! The way you've programmed your Aux 13 for the clean feed normally should work. You have to check if you have configured the clean feed outputs of every ME properly. The Kayak can set these outputs to [i]BG+Key1[/i], [i]BG+Key1+2[/i], [i]BG+Key1+2+3[/i] etc. or [i]BG only[/i]. You have to choose [i]BG only[/i] for all ME's you need. I hope it works! Chris :)